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Qigong Master Jo (Zhou) Boils Water With Qi/Chi From His Hands

This is not an urban myth or an X-files episode. Qigong Master Jo (Zhou) lives today and he continues to boil water with hands, even an infrared camera captured the heat produced from his hands. Abilities like these are found within the practice of QiGong. They are not paranormal, only normal. To the practitioner, these abilities are very normal (not paranormal) and they follow the Chinese science of harnessing the power of Qi from themselves or the universe.

Before coming to the United States, Master Zhou traveled throughout mainland China teaching Qi Gong, treating patients, and demonstrating his unusual skills in the martial arts. His reputation finally spread to all parts of the country. Highly respected and honored in China, Master Zhou has been called a Treasure of the Nation.

Master Zhou practices in LA, California at ‘Full Spectrum Coaching’. Here’s a link to their website: http://holosla.com

Caption about Master Zhou from the website above (http://holosla.com/team/master-zhou-ting-jue/):

Qi Gong master, Zhou Ting-Jue was born in 1934 in China. At the age of seven, he began learning martial arts and traditional Chinese medical theory under the guidance of his uncle, a Taoist priest. He often secluded himself at Wu Dang Mountain, in the temple of his uncle’s sect, for advanced studies. There, he cultivated the discipline of Qi Gong and developed a growing understanding of the true meaning and potentials of Qi and its relationship to life and the universe. His mentors included many famous Chinese Qi Gong masters, who passed on to him their personal knowledge about the mysterious power of Qi Gong.

After studying the knowledge that was presented by each of his master-teachers, Master Zhou created his own school of Qi Gong. His unique skills and techniques have contributed to and broadened the scope of traditional Qi Gong. These abilities form the basis of the care he provides and the amazing effect it has in promoting health and curing disease.

Before coming to the United States, Master Zhou traveled throughout mainland China teaching Qi Gong, treating patients, and demonstrating his unusual skills in the martial arts. His reputation finally spread to all parts of the country. Highly respected and honored in China, Master Zhou has been called a “Treasure of the Nation.”

In 1991, Master Zhou was invited to the “International Southern California Hai Hua Cup Martial Arts Tournament” as a competitor, where, at 60 years of age, he won the championship two consecutive years. Subsequently, the tournament committee, recognizing his expertise, appointed him as a consultant and judge.

Currently Master Zhou is practicing and teaching in West Los Angeles, California. He has established the Chinese American Wu Dang Qi Gong Association and Center for Qi Gong Treatment.


  1. Advisor Matt
    Advisor Matt
    May 16th, 2010 at 16:27 | #1

    Ethan, I found a bunch of comments on the same video from another website,, t hought you may like! ;-)

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    Bill Smith // Oct 2, 2006

    The guy is a fraud
    There’s an old “Bar bet” wherein the person takes the Aluminum foil from a cigarette pack, wets is with some Hg2Cl2 and pinches it between both thumbs and forefingers, and says “I bet you can’t hold in your hand what I’ve got in mine.” The sucker accepts the “gift” of reactive Al foil and gets a burn as the air oxidation causes it to heat up. The Bichloride of Mercury used to be available as an antiseptic.

    The chloride ion will break down the oxide layer on the aluminum, allowing the aluminum to oxidize assuming there’s some water present to ionize the mercurous chloride.
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    2 Alex // Oct 2, 2006

    As a practicioner of IMA, I am ashamed that people have to continue with this stuff. Yes Chi gong has amazing health benefits, and can even have martial benefits. But this is just exageratted, and a very clever show of trickery…
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    3 Brent // Oct 3, 2006

    If this is a fraud and it’s just a chemical reaction, then why is his hand white under the thermal lens as well as the tin foil?
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    4 Anthony // Oct 20, 2006

    Brent:

    Zhou’s hand is hot because of it’s contact with the paper towel/foil. I would guess that the towel had been soaked in the bichloride of mercury solution, then dried; once it has been rehydrated, and the aluminum foil added, the reaction takes place. The heat from the towel/foil will then transfer to the hand. I agree with Alex; this kind of parlor trick taints all legitimate practitioners of Qi Gong.
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    5 Spencer // Oct 28, 2006

    What I’m wondering, though, is how he stepped on the paper without breaking through. I’m sure that he’s just a fraud, but how was that trick done?
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    6 JP // Nov 6, 2006

    Why not put him on a scale and then let him shift his bodyweight?
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    7 Daniel // Nov 14, 2006

    I dont know… i’ve seen this guy in person and i’ve seen him do the heating of the foil. i didn’t see any cigarette pack or chemicals. my school provided the materials for the demo. i also saw him lift a pale of water with a gigantic needle stuck through his arm. the needle was huge but it took my Sifu a long time to get it through Master Zhou’s tough skin and my Sifu is a very strong man. the needle was in deep enough to draw some blood but it couldnt break his skin even with the added weight of the pale. I should know considering i was the one who had to clean the needle!
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    8 Lawrence // Nov 15, 2006

    Awesome!
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    9 mw // Mar 17, 2007

    http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2002/04.18/09-tummo.html

    similar technique in a havard study… guess they use chemicals too eh?
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    10 Master Gohring // Mar 21, 2007

    Yes, I agree that it is ashame that with all the really great and really real benfits of Qigong and Tai Chi that there are people out there treated it as street magic.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love street magic and such but not like this.
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    11 mw // Apr 1, 2007

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T6UTGkC73GE

    same video…. if you will note ripleys provided all materials and they were later tested for chemicals… also harvard studies have shown similar results from similar techniques…

    it’s real folks…. get your head out of your arse…. and wake up…
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    12 Diane // May 7, 2007

    I have meet Master Zhou in Sedona, AZ and seen his demostrations of his Qi Power. He is authenic, water is all that is used on paper towel and aluminum foil….no trickery, he is for real. He has amazing Qi power and is also a wonderful healer. There is no trickery with Master Zhou
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    13 Smith // May 15, 2007

    It is sad, there are many people who still think that Qi is just nonsense, the ones who think this, i suggest, simply take yourself to a Qi Gong Master, ask him to transmit Qi into a certain part of your body, you will then find out for yourself that it is not myth nor folly, or just keep thinking there is no such thing as Qi, that would be easier for you .
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    14 David // May 22, 2007

    It is sad that many of you practice internal martial arts, but have no idea of its potential. I do not know if this particular demonstration is real or not, or if this master is genuine, but I do believe that it is possible. A true master should be able to demonstrate an incredible level of ability, not just better health. Those with out this ability will always be looking to tear down those with it.
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    15 Maria // Jun 11, 2007

    Master Zho’s healing power has helped me more than once when I was suffering from pains. Many years ago doctors told me my condition (arthritis) would never heal and unfortunatly I had to put up with the pain and restricted movement of my arms and neck.

    After taking every pill (ruining my stomach, suffering from other side effects) and doing all the cures they prescribed me I couldn’t imagine how to go on with life so full of pain.

    A friend then introduced me to energy healing and attuned me to Reiki. This has saved me from a very sad life full of pain.

    I do selfhealing ever since, but when this is not enough and pain comes back, I call on Master Zhou and always after the treatment I come out of his place relieved from pain and with a very peaceful spirit.

    By the way – when my friend first told me about Reiki, I did not believe it would work, but desperation told me to try whatever came my way. After the third session, I woke up in the morning and the pain was gone.

    Qi works, it doesn’t matter if we “believe” in it or not.
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    16 veronica de arce // Aug 14, 2007

    Dear Master Zhou:

    I am not clear on what kinds of ailments your kind of healing helps with, or works on.

    I have been at your demonstration, an at your medical practice to witness your talent with patients close up. Probably with Eric Lee and friends.

    So, anyway can master Zhou break up scar tissue internally?

    After my accident I had a two stage operation done by county on my baby finger which was mangled. They operated on my three times and left my finger with dynoptins contracture (scar tissue on the ligament prevents finger from bending properly, looks like it is hyper extended backwards.

    i have x rays and photos of my hand, i can send via email.

    sincerely,

    ms. veronica de arce aka ronnie cea

    p.s. i am a violinist. living at all is like living in a jail if i cant play my instrument any longer..

    please advise.

    [I removed your contact information. This is not his message service, you will have to speak to him directly. --Chris]
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    17 Eric Zammitt // Oct 3, 2007

    Hi, I don’t have a comment, but a question. I can’t find any other place on the site to ask it. I would like to see Master Zhou for treatment. How can I contact him? Will you please send me his contact info?

    Thanks,

    Eric
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    18 Eric Zammitt // Oct 3, 2007

    Hi, Nevermind, I just found him. Thanks. If anyone needs the info feel free to ask the webmaster to contact me.
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    19 Gyula Kovacs // Oct 15, 2007

    Hello Eric,

    Would you tell me where to find Master Zhou?
    Thank you,

    Gyula
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    20 Eric Zammitt // Oct 15, 2007

    Hi Gyula,

    I have since discovered that “Master” Zhou is a fraud.

    I went to see him. I got a massage from him and he did his thing with the foil and wet paper towel. It got hot alright, but afterwards when he left the room to wash his hands I dipped my finger in the “water” that he used on the foil and touched it to my tongue. It burned! It tasted like something very caustic. Also, the water was milky white. I got to my car as quickly as possible and washed my mouth with water for a long time. I forgot about rinsing my finger, and later I must have rubbed my eye and it burned for hours. I didn’t confront Zhou at the time. He doesn’t speak English, and I wanted time to think.

    I did some research and discovered that Sodium Hydroxide, NaOH, commonly known as Lye, reacts with aluminum and generates great heat. Chronic exposure to this would also be consistent with the roughness of Zhou’s hands, and the fact that they are discolored very dark, kind of blackish purple.

    I called his other office where they speak English and told them what happened. They didn’t believe me (or were lying) but agreed to tell Zhou that I wanted to meet with him and have him prove to me that he actually has some kind of power. He agreed surprisingly, and I met with him yesterday.

    I brought my own materials (paper towels, foil, water, and container). He grabbed the material and began to prepare them on his glass-topped work table(why an auxiliary glass top? It’s just water, isn’t it? Conveniently chemical resistant. The Formica table it covered wouldn’t suffice) . He brought it to my shoulder and I could hear it sizzling as it passed my ear before he even put it on my shoulder and began to “put Qi into it”. I stopped him. I wiped my finger on the wet table and tasted it, and got that same chemical taste. I insisted that we prepare on his wood waiting table. I began to prepare the stuff myself and he said (this is all through an interpreter by the way) that he needed to touch the foil himself. I haggled with him about that, but he insisted that he had to touch the foil. I let him begin. He was getting his hands wet and splashing the water on the foil and paper towels and splashing on the table too. He put it on my shoulder and though it took a lot longer than usual, it began to sizzle and heat up. I then insisted that I taste his hands! And again, that same chemical taste. I then prepared the foil myself against his wishes, and put it on my shoulder, and he refused to try to heat it up. He said he gave me one chance and that was all he was going to give. Then I told him that I would let him prepare the materials again, but let me try to put Qi into it without him (I’m sure it would have heated up). Again he refused.

    I also asked him why he needed foil at all. I told him that I had been to several other QiGong doctors, and studied with a QiGong master (both true) and all of them directed Qi with their hands alone. He wouldn’t give me a straight answer.

    As we were speaking the water that he had splashed on the wood table had turned the finish white. I pointed that out and he tried to explain it away and shrug it off at the same time.

    I told him that I felt betrayed by him. The he attracted me under false pretenses and that he was only doing a cheap magic trick, and that I deserved my money back for my last visit. After a minute of haggling he agreed to give me half my money back because he thought he should be paid for the massage he gave me.

    If he were for real, he would have really let me prove his power (if he had, he would have had a loyal follower, and referrals to all my friends and family), and he never would have agreed to any kind of refund.

    I am not denigrating the practice of Qi Gong, or of Chinese medicine, I am denegrating Mr. Zhou. He is a fraud, stealing through deceit, from ailing people.

    If you still want his contact information, his number is 310.478.1798. But be warned.

    Eric
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    21 Gyula // Oct 16, 2007

    Hi Eric,

    WOW! You did some investigation for sure. I am going to look into those chemicals as well. Did have positive experiences with Masters in the US? Do you know Master Chunyi Li? Well? He charges about $3,400 for 5-6 day of healing seminars. From Drew Hampel “Back in 2000-1 when I studied intensively with Master Chunyi Lin of http://springforestqigong.com I got up to chapter six in “Taoist Yoga: alchemy and immortality” and then the strong electromagnetic vortexes spinning around me as I sat in full-lotus, during an 8 day energy feast (with only half a glass of water), lead me to read all the books of Master Nan, Huai-chin.”
    Gyula
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    22 L K Tucker // Jan 4, 2008

    You may be unaware that people who perform too many group Qi Gong sessions in a short time frame have mental breaks. VisionAndPsychosis.Net has published the reason for that.

    Most who claim superhuman strength or supernatural powers are not faking. They believe they can do those things. But the reason that happens is Subliminal Distraction exposure.

    SD was discovered when it caused mental breaks for office workers in the 1960’s. The cubicle was created to deal with the human vision startle reflex and the mental breaks stopped.

    There is also YouTube video of throwing Chee by a Qi Gong Master. It is a segment of a Natural Geographic Channel program.

    You will find a link to it on the Qi Gong page at VisionAndPsychosis.Net.
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    23 shu shing // Mar 15, 2008

    sigung ting jue zhou is my teacher. the reason he does not accept many if any students anymore is because of the doubt that is in peoples mind. maybe some who doubt this do the same to themselves with things they know they should be capable of doing….but the best way to know is to search and find for yourself.
    peace to all
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    24 Cyre // Mar 22, 2008

    I personally have Visited Master Zhou. I come from a purely western approach at his “techniques” as i was skeptical at first. I asked to see how he performed his heating technique. He had his cup of water and roll of paper towels. Being very curious and skeptical, i dipped my fingers in the cup of fluid, smelled it, and even tasted it. As far as my perception stood. It was regular water, as for if it was tap, bottled, or distilled i can’t be for certain. He just ended up laughing. After leaving the session i watched a couple minutes of the video they play of him performing “Qigong” oriented demonstrations of his mastery of his own Qi. Nothing short of remarkable, which included piercings, demonstrations with sharp objects, wight transfer, and various other exercises that are quite remarkable. The comment that claims he uses lye, is quite unreasonable as i seemingly tasted the fluid myself. I can’t imagine someone like master Zhou would use lye for the possibility of the lye itself being passed on to the client, burning him/her and possibly involving a lawsuit or other adverse reaction. The chemical you probably tasted, is most likely the cleaning chemical on the counters, equipment, and/or table he uses that was transfered to your fingers. Though your research is compelling it is just a thought, and not a personal criticism.

    -Cyre
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    25 Eric Zammitt // Mar 22, 2008

    I stand by my story, and suggest you re-read the details.

    I also respectfully suggest you approach your testing with a little more scientific rigor.

    If you really wanted to prove his power in this particular skill you should bring your own prepared wet foil wrapped in paper towel in a zip-lock bag and lay it on yourself without him touching it and ask him to put Qi into it while you keep your eye on it. He’ll refuse. I guarantee it.

    As I said in my story, I am not denegrating Qi Gong, especially since I have experienced the daily practice of it, and have been helped by a Qi Gong master in the past.

    I have no idea what skills Mr. Zhou may actually possess but I know that his heating trick is just that, a trick.

    I won’t respond to any further comments, as I simply stand by my story.

    Good luck to you all.
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    26 Robert // Mar 25, 2008

    I wish that i could meet Master Zhou, I have always believed in the ability to use Qi but have never been fortunate enough to afford going to see or even study under someone I could learn under. I really wish I could do it.
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    27 sana ruxandra // May 5, 2008

    i donțt know in person mastre zhou but drunvalo melchizedek is talking abaut him in his worksop. he also said that master zhou was to one of his worksops and proved the standing on the sheet of paper. the public in the workshop could touch the paper and were convinced it was just paper. so maybe people that know drunvalo or practice merkaba trust drunvalo and whom he is saying to be psychic. the mind is always telling us what is true or false but our heart should just feel it
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    28 Maria Durschlag/Felzer // May 17, 2008

    Maybe one day one of you feel that none of the pills and stuff your doctors push on you. You run around, desperate for help.

    You will find a lot of “helpfull” advertisements….

    All magazines are full of it.

    Master Zhou does not nead advertisement. He has helped many people and he does not to have to explain it.

    I am, as any of you, very cautious, but I can say, Master Zhou has helped me when I needed help.

    Maria
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    29 wayne // May 28, 2008

    the needle thru the arm is easy as long as u dont put it thru an artery.
    your skin will easily support a bucket of water.
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    30 Fakemasters // Jun 29, 2008

    Please don’t try to advertise or support such fraudulent claims anymore,those who supported must be the followers of his scam.This master zhou and his evil followers ought to be locked up in jail.
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    31 Chris // Jun 29, 2008

    Posting it does not mean supporting it.
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    32 Dena-Diane // Jun 29, 2008

    Master Zhou only uses water and his Qi to heat the water…I have worked with him in Sedona, AZ while he was here for a week healing persons and giving Qi Gong instruction classes. Master Zhou is authenic, he is not tricking anyone…If you had ever seen all the demonstrations he does you would see what a wonderful and powerful Master of Martial Arts/QiGong. Ive had treatments and received pain relief from my cronic pain problems…
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    33 … // Aug 7, 2008

    it maybe this man is a fraud but qi or ki or chi wat u like to call it is real on youtube now there is a man they call jhon chang he burns newspaper without chemicals or anything you can think it is fake but its real just cause u cant see it dosent mean its not there like the wind
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    34 Truth // Oct 23, 2008

    It is real, You go see for yourself first hand..

    [Edited for civility.]
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    35 Spartan // Oct 29, 2008

    Hello, one thing we should ask ourselves is if we had these abilities would we be on the internet where all could find us,I think that their are alot of powerful chi guys out there that prefer to keep a low profile! making it hard to find them unless its destined for you to find them.
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    36 Anonymous Reader // Dec 14, 2008

    If one simply does not believe in something do not force that belief upon someone else. It is somewhat like religion. You try to force someone to believe in something that just will not make sense to them.

    Having read some of the comments I see that many do not believe and insist upon forcing their disbelief to others. Those that want to believe should be aloud to and should not be continually shot down for what they say. I will not mention the names of those that do so, but they should know that this is not to end up like the wars caused through the forcing of others into another religion.
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    37 L K Tucker // Dec 14, 2008

    You are correct. If you have beliefs that contradict normal reality you have the right to continue those beliefs. That is until your mental state reaches a point that you cannot exercise reason to give informed consent. Then someone in authority will decide about your ability to continue without supervision.

    If continuing to practice Qi Gong in groups may cause a mental break you should not challenge those who in good will attempt to warn you.

    The fact that you can have these mental events attempting to reach enlightenment has been known for over a thousand years.

    There is a simple explanation that uses facts of human physiology and can be tracked where ever behaviors similar to Qi Gong exist.

    The mental breaks happen to those who use eyes-open meditation while there is detectable movement in peripheral vision.

    Until VisionAndPsychosis.Net published the reason for them there was only the belief they were caused by Chee and Prana.

    What is there about waving your arms and legs about in unison with others that makes you believe you can summon and control powerful supernatural forces?

    I don’t know if Master Zhou Ting-Jue honestly believes his powers exist. But if it can be shown how he uses paraphernalia to deceive the answer is no.

    Each person still has the right to believe as they will. This discussion is available for those who want information.
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    38 Anonymous Reader… again // Dec 30, 2008

    L K Tucker:

    Yes what you are saying is perfectly true, but there are certain things that are not deniable. It is not known to us whether or not Master Zhou Ting-Jue knows of acupuncture.

    If he does have that knowledge it would make sense that he would know where to place the heated aluminum foil (I am not saying he used his Chi to heat it, nor am I saying he tricked us). Those points are known to help heal people to when they felt less pain.

    I just want to know why they don’t put him on a scale and weigh him to show his ability to shift his weight. There exists however the fact that he could be SHIFTING his weight and not LOSING it. That could be why putting him on a scale simply would not work.

    Believers can believe and misbelievers can keep their mouths shut and stop pushing their beliefs onto others.
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    39 nitruosfed // Feb 7, 2009

    What about the guy in china that has electricity, there is a whole documentary about him.

    htp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iM_E6sRQQAg
    http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/final-qigong-demonstration-of-john-chang/

    this is worth finding out
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    40 L K Tucker // Feb 7, 2009

    Anonymous Reader:

    There is a difference in those who believe they have supernatural powers and those using normal chemistry and physics to perform magic tricks.

    There have been TV programs where Gurus attempted these supernatural powers. I remember one where the Yogi was placed in a box on a scale then attempted levitation.

    The box bumped around and slid on the floor. He really thought he could levitate.

    The problem on my site is about those who believe, why they believe, not those who use trickery.

    If you have the behaviors and exposure you too can be a victim.

    Qi Gong and Kundalini Yoga have 3000 years of history with mental problems due to performing too many exercise sessions in a compact time frame.

    George Dillman, a Karate instructor is featured in a National Geographic program “Is It Real” Superhuman Powers. Google his name or search YouTube.

    The video is linked on my First Psychotic Episodes page.

    All you must do is avoid Subliminal Distraction exposure.
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    41 chris // Jun 25, 2009

    i dont claim to know about all of this stuff . i just want to leave one comment about this particular discussion and that is. Not every thing can be explained through science n logic. i believe as humans our brains and our inner strength or energy has limitless potential and i believe that some people have studied practice and extended their perceptions to this and taken a step up the ladder. also i think that most people who have done this would rather not go public with it due to them being treated like a lab rat just so people can feel comforted in knowing the how and why it can be done. so what if it breaks every law of physics or whatever else laws and rules are ment to be broken and you cant put a limit on a person’s spirit , mind , energy, and ill end this on this note with ANY THING IS POSSIBLE IF YOU PUT YOUR MIND TO IT!
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    42 Josh Young // Jun 26, 2009

    It is true, not everything can be explained by science and logic.

    But can I dye my hair by mental effort alone?
    Can I shift shape into something that is not what I am?

    I am interested in any evidence of any law of physics being defied or broken.
    Please feel free to share knowledge of this with me.
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    43 Bryan Zerr // Jul 23, 2009

    You guys are silly! I worked with him for two weeks. He did healings on me and his hand could burn my skin at will. He used my foil and paper towels, andI also saw him take a wine boltte, break it on the floor, and then using chi and his hands, turn broken glass to sand.

    He healed my mothers elbow and a pulled groin ,muscle in me. He is not a fraud
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    44 LK Tucker // Jul 24, 2009

    “turn broken glass to sand”

    Transmutation of elements into other substances is a frequent claim of those with “supernatural powers.”

    On the Internet it cannot be determined if such an event happened. The claim may be a prank.

    The preparation necessary to perform such a feat, if it happened, demonstrates trickery rather than a mental problem.
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    45 Bryan Zerr // Jul 24, 2009

    btw. He did this for me spontanteously in the parking lot of a grocery store. In person. and in front of another person as well.
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    46 josh young // Jul 24, 2009

    Cool!

    I want to learn to make sand from broken glass.
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    47 Bryan Zerr // Jul 24, 2009

    It was cool..he was amazing and inspirign for sure. I took a very suspicious friend of mine to his office in LA while I had a treatment. A the end of it I asked The master to show him Chi. He went over and put his hand over his knee with no foil or paper towel. He said, “Mild Chi” and waved a couple fingers over his knee. My friend said he might have felt something. Then Master Joe said, “Medium chi”, and my friend admitted it was feeling warm and hot. Then Master Joe said, ” High Chi”. He fluttered his fingers and my friend lept from the chair. It freaked him out so much he won’t even talk about it.

    Even though it was often hard to handle the intense sensation of chi that he would apply in a massage. it never burned the skin. It was amazing.
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    48 josh young // Jul 25, 2009

    That chi demonstration doesn’t seem nearly as cool as turning glass into sand. At least to me. Sand cannot be influenced by suggestion.
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    49 Ruggy // Jan 1, 2010

    FYI – Turning glass into sand does not suggest transmutation of elements in any way. Glass is merely sand all melted together, and sand is the same as pulverized glass.
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    50 L K Tucker // Jan 1, 2010

    “sand is the same as pulverized glass”

    OK can you suggest how to do that instantly? If I grant you that it is true that sand is the same elementary substance as pulverized glass how do you instantly achieve that reverse conversion.

    It is done with a wave of the hand? By the action of human thought on the substance? If so it is at least supernatural.

    The belief that you possess supernatural powers is border-line psychotic. But there are those who have such beliefs and yet they perform normally in every other respect. Why? How?

    The act of performing eyes open meditation while engaging slow motion martial arts exercises creates the “special circumstances” for Subliminal Distraction exposure and that will allow the changes in thought processes to allow those bizarre beliefs.

    Let me illustrate with the stage magician who appears to be able to make objects float contradicting gravity. We all enjoy these performances but also know it is a performance. Those with altered mental states would believe the magician is actually able to overcome gravity with magic.

    That’s the difference. Do you believe these Qi Gong Masters actually overcome Newtonian physics? Do they have superhuman and supernatural powers to alter the Mechanical Universe through the will of their minds?
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    51 L K Tucker // Jan 1, 2010

    It is the performance of these exercises in groups so that there is repeating detectable movement in peripheral vision that uses the mind’s normal function to change beliefs. It is a previously unreported and un-investigated form of operant conditioning.

    ( I left out the fact that …group performances …of Qi Gong and Kundalini Yoga cause mental events when the exercises are done too many times in a compact time frame. These mental events have been known and recorded to happen for about 3000 years.)
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    52 I studed with master Zhou // May 6, 2010

    Master Zhou is for real. The person who claims that he found caustic liquid is lying.

    I knew Master Zhou for several years and not only received treatments from him but also studied with him. He is an amazing healer and a generous person who teaches everything he knows.

    To the disbelieving people who bring on modern science:

    What makes you think that what we know today is the last word that will ever be said in science? Embrace the fact that we don’t know everything, yet. And be grateful for people like Master Zhou who reminds us of this fact.

    Your argument against his skill is what? That you don’t understand how it is possible? And it makes you uncomfortable, right? Then you elevate your ignorance to a perfectly legitimate reason for calling a good man – and in this case, an exceptionally good man – a fraud. Shame on you.
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    53 Mannie Morgenstern // May 16, 2010

    Dear All,

    I have studied with Master Zhou for 7 or 8 years. I have also personally received treatments from him on occasion. He is absolutely the real deal. Previously I studied Tai Chi for several years with a disciple of the Yang Family, Gin Soon Chu, and subsequently Buddhist Qigong with a chinese gentleman, David Yao, who had practiced many types of qigong for 40 years.

    As the expression goes, Master Zhou has already forgotten more about the martial arts than most of us here writing have ever learned. He is a very high level practitioner and man of high moral character. He helps people who are very ill on a daily basis. Not every patient responds but many serious and lesser illnesses go away or are obviously improved after his treatment. And he charges fair rates for his time, lower than many people of far lesser skill.

    As an example, a friend of ours has a dog that was diagnosed with cushing’s disease about 6 years ago or so. The dog exhibited all the symptoms of cushing’s and clearly had the illness. The vet prescribed a pharmaceutical which I believe is a form of chemotherapy. My friend refused the pills and brought the dog to Master Zhou. After 1 or 2 treatments, the dog was fine and is still fine now. The vets were amazed and have no explanation. I talked to the friend this week and she still tells me this story every time about how this was the miracle of her life. This is only one example of Master Zhou’s skill. In this context, animals don’t lie.

    I have practiced martial arts myself since age 14, that’s 33 years. I started Tai chi when I was 18, so that almost 30 years of internal training. The qigong and martial arts that Master Zhou has taught me are fantastic. He has brought me forward levels and levels in my practice and always has the next correction and challenge ready. I can readily sense the immensity of his energy when he treats me – his healing power is very clearly immense and real. He was born to do this and is clearly fulfilling this destiny in his daily life, practice and work. He looks just like the classic pictures of the old masters from the various internal marital arts books when he performs the movements. It is an honor to practice with and learn from someone of such high skill and integrity and heart. Imperfect as he certainly is, he is a true treasure and everyone reading here should know that despite whatever tales are being told.

    Sincerely,

    Mannie Morgenstern

    from http://www.martialdevelopment.com/blog/qigong-demonstration-zhou-ting-jue

  2. May 20th, 2010 at 08:32 | #2

    @Advisor Matt
    Hi Advisor,
    Thanks for sharing this string of comments, I see the oldest comment was Oct 2006 with the most recent posted just last month May 16, 2010.

    Reading the discussion is fascinating, you see the very typical arguments for and against this phenomena.

    I suggest readers to read the comment posted by Advisor, I know it’s long. You can also visit the website where this discussion was quoted from, for possibly more recent comments.

    I will summarize and comment on Advisor’s contribution soon! My next comment will be posted shortly.

  3. May 20th, 2010 at 09:26 | #3

    The following is what I am taking away from reading the string of comments posted by Advisor Matt:

    We have two opinions, one is that Master Zhou is authentic the other is that he is using a trick to generate heat (some called hims a fraud).

    Against:

    The following was offered as an explanation to how the heat-generating trick worked:

    “.. Aluminum foil from a cigarette pack, wets is with some Hg2Cl2?
    “.. towel had been soaked in the bichloride of mercury solution, then dried; once it has been rehydrated, and the aluminum foil added, the reaction takes place”

    and from Eric Zammitt (comment 20) we read

    “.. water that he used on the foil and touched it to my tongue. It burned!” The water had a chemical taste. He suggests that a chemical compound was used when he said “Sodium Hydroxide, NaOH, commonly known as Lye, reacts with aluminum and generates great heat”

    For:

    Many wrote positive comments. From reading the comments, it seems people have met him in person and did not see any evidence of a trick.

    Commenter Cyre (comment 24) said “i dipped my fingers in the cup of fluid, smelled it, and even tasted it. As far as my perception stood. It was regular water,” Yet, Mr. Zammitt said these people must have missed the evidence.

    Comment 52 says “Master Zhou is for real. The person who claims that he found caustic liquid is lying… I knew Master Zhou for several years and not only received treatments from him but also studied with him. He is an amazing healer and a generous person who teaches everything he knows.”

    Comment 53 is from another student that studied with master Zhou and it testifies that Master Zhou is for real. I suggest you read it.

    The video does mention that Ripleys provided all materials and they were later tested for chemicals.

    It is worth mentioning that none of the comments I saw was against the effectiveness of QiGong with the exception to the mention of “Subliminal Distraction exposure” and how SD “caused mental breaks” leading practitioners especially in group practice to believe in the presence of “superhuman strength”, the comment goes on to mention this can be seen in QiGong or Kundalini Yoga. At this time, I don’t know much about “Subliminal Distraction”, I simply am rephrasing what the comment said.

    Both “for” and “against” comments to the authenticity of Master Zhou or the use of chemicals cannot be proven nor discounted by myself. I only have these written words to go by.

    I suppose, I’d have to visit with Master Zhou myself and bring my own materials and taste the water. Even better, I can ask him to generate heat without the aluminum foil, water or the towels.

    In essence I’d like to experience a similar experience to the one seen in comment 47. Here we read this story: “He said, ‘Mild Chi’ and waved a couple fingers over his knee. My friend said he might have felt something. Then Master Joe said, ‘Medium chi’, and my friend admitted it was feeling warm and hot. Then Master Joe said, ‘High Chi’. He fluttered his fingers and my friend lept from the chair. It freaked him out so much he won’t even talk about”

    Eric Zammitt suggests you do the following: “If you really wanted to prove his power in this particular skill you should bring your own prepared wet foil wrapped in paper towel in a zip-lock bag and lay it on yourself without him touching it and ask him to put Qi into it while you keep your eye on it. He’ll refuse. I guarantee it.”

    A simpler experiment would be to not use any of the material above, no water, towels, foil etc.. None should be needed. keep the experiment simple.

    It is suggested, correctly in my opinion, that if people with ‘supernatural abilities’ exist, such as Master Zhou, that these people would not advertise, they’d be ones that do not seek publicity nor money and do their best at healing those who seek their healing.

    If a person can heal people, if what he does works, yet science cannot figure out how maybe it simply comes down to lack of scientific knowledge at this time. It is not far fetched to say that science cannot explain everything. This is suggested in a comment that said “He has helped many people and he does not to have to explain it”.

    If you want answers for yourself, try these suggestions:

    1- Go to a Qi Gong Master (preferably Master Zhou himself), ask him/her to transmit Qi into a certain part of your body, feel what you feel.

    No water, towels, foil needed. If you visit Master Zhou he should be able (according to the comments above and common sense) to generate intense heat in your body without using any materials. Try the mild/Medium/High Chi experiment.

    You can also, use a remote temperature sensor or an infrared camera to make sure that you are not imagining the heat. The temperature increase has to be higher and more rapid than one that can produced via the placebo effect/self hypnosis/mind over body.

    Record your whole experiment on video. Then post it on youtube!

    2- If testing for anti-gravity/weight shift: Ask the whomever claims to reduce weight to stand on a scale and then let him shift his body weight

    3- When practicing in a group, avoid Subliminal Distraction exposure.

    Also, research Tummo meditation.

  4. May 22nd, 2010 at 18:04 | #4

    In comment #22 by Tucker, we see a mentioning of Subliminal Distraction. Upon browsing the site VisionAndPsychosis.Net I noticed how the author says “Qi Gong group practice may cause a mental break”, it is further mentioned that exposure to SD only happens when the exercises are in groups with one’s eyes open.

    I also noticed a mention of QiGong masters who believe they have super human powers, and the author attributed this belief to the exposure to SD.

    I do not think that a person practices QiGong with their eyes open even when in a group. According to comment #37 “The mental breaks happen to those who use eyes-open meditation while there is detectable movement in peripheral vision. Until VisionAndPsychosis.Net published the reason for them there was only the belief they were caused by Chee and Prana.”

    This does not account for the countless hours of non-group practice or group practice with eyes closed. I don’t think SD can be considered the cause to all claims of Chee or Prana or super human abilities by QiGong masters or QiGong practitioners simply because most of the practice is done either alone or with eyes closed.

  5. chris moss
    chris moss
    October 29th, 2012 at 18:37 | #5

    This guy is a fraud. who surprisingly has been able to fool some very savvy people. I went to see him twice in LA to be sure. All you have to do is put your finger in the “water” when he leaves the room then put it in your mouth. It is some very wicked chemical shit that you will not be able to wash out of your mouth for some time. you will wish you hadn’t done it. perhaps it’s bichloride of mercury as mentioned in other posts. There are lots of miracles out there- and the practice of qi gong is truly awesome- but this particular guy is a fake, and what he’s doing could be seriously toxic. STAY AWAY OR TASTE THE WATER WHEN HE LEAVES THE ROOM IF YOU DON’T BELIEVE ME. As for his followers: TASTE THE WATER TASTE THE WATER TASTE THE WATER! SHEESH!

  6. November 23rd, 2012 at 10:24 | #6

    Thank you for sharing your experience!! I have read of something just like you said somewhere else. I also agree that QiGong works, it is based on ancient chinese alchemy which brought us chinese medicine, which all work. The man might have some abilities, but his decision to add some glamor to his work, while probably improving the placebo response also causes others to see him as not being legit.

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